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asciilifeform writin' wwwistic calculator to go w/ the cost article.
BingoBoingo: Welcome back billymg, your datas are ready.
billymg: hey BingoBoingo, tyvm
billymg: sorry about the join/part, bit of bouncer issues
billymg: just got back from cr, am now land owner
BingoBoingo: Congrats
billymg: thanks, it was quite a process, but glad now that it's done
BingoBoingo: Plantation? Game reserve? Hobby farm?
billymg: yeah, ranch, not too far from the beach. multiple structures so there are rental / bnb opportunities
billymg: very nice safe house overall
BingoBoingo: Is it a working ranch with livestock or gotta bring your own?
billymg: some existing cows that belong to the groundskeeper, a native tico who's been on the property for even longer than the previous owner
billymg: the previous owners ran it as a bnb, have some existing relationships that carry over as well (outside any platform sites)
billymg: plus some long term renters (expats) in one of the houses
billymg: i took some photos on this trip as well, plan to do a post about the experience (once i get my blog back up)
billymg: speaking of, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, it sounded like there was an option for some interim shared hosting. i would be interested in that if available. then when i'm on the ground i will look around for a local DC
BingoBoingo: billymg: Sure thing. Just please see http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/
BingoBoingo: The interim server is only supporting www, no bouncers.
asciilifeform: billymg: i've a rack, and about to post very pedantic analysis. so i dun need temp host, but ty.
BingoBoingo: Don't plan to run it as interim hosting more than 3 months, etc
asciilifeform finally, posted draft.
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3486 << Loper OS -- TMSR North Ameristan Rack Prospectus: Initial Draft.
asciilifeform: ^ mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , & all other panzers, achtung!
asciilifeform goes to fix the inescapable typos
asciilifeform: ^ a mechanized price estimator is included .
asciilifeform: all prospective inhabitants , invited to comment.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i omitted discussion of shared hosting strictly because the provisions do not yet exist. but it should be simple to compute the cost of emplacing the necessary machine, via this draft.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: With that margin, you certainly are going to want to sell the shit of of shared for some gravy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: certainly.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma stfu tho until mp has chance to comment, it seems likely that i made a coarse error of pilotage somewhere.
asciilifeform: ( the #s -- correct; but re the logic. )
billymg: asciilifeform: np, ty
billymg: BingoBoingo: space on anyserver would be much appreciated, and the terms seem fine
BingoBoingo returns to typing up meeting notes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions.
BingoBoingo: billymg: Did you successfully ssh in yet?
asciilifeform: (because of the very aggressively low price of the upsteam, this is imho practical.)
billymg: yup, grabbed my backups, tyvm
BingoBoingo: billymg: Just going to run an mp-wp site?
billymg: yes, i'll sadly stick to this lulazon box for my bouncer until i get something else figured out
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my other intention is to demonstrate that i can actually run a satisfactory ( to the standard of mp & co ) rack.
billymg: anyserver would be only for billymg.com and nothing else
BingoBoingo: billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow.
billymg: excellent! will do
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is interesting that you think the margin is small. i was thinking it is rather fascist.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do suspect you gravely underpriced the Rockchips for their share of the pipe if nothing else. At just under 9 USD, that's probably going to make any shared price point impossible.
asciilifeform: ( earlier was wondering, how the moldavian d00d charges 35eu per 1u. but diana_coman's bandwidth tests seem to suggest the answer.
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: shares-of-pipe are to be handled as described under 'physical space & energy' # III .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did not want to start right off the bat w/ explicit pipe rationing, because it in itself imposes some loss of total capacity. but the provisions for rationing are in place.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as for rk vs shared hosting, i actually prefer that folx live in rk, it is considerably easier to administer , each user gets actual physical machine where can do as he pleases.
asciilifeform: incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for l2 n00bs can do shared hosting , per '1y phree' scheme suggested earlier by mp.
asciilifeform: so we'll defo want the provisions for it.
asciilifeform spent 4d nao thinking about 'how to price', 'what to price', and head hurts.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order.
BingoBoingo: But the shared machine will have an advantage for hosting www in that www benefits from having all the ram possible
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think you know, i had rk provisioning ~100% automated.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is so. the current standard rk contains 2GB ram.
asciilifeform: a 256G 'dulap' potentially could house ~128 users at similar ram apportionment (but only 8 if each were to be allotted 4 cores as present in rk.)
BingoBoingo: Even with the lessons learned. Drives die, etc. 3 year depreciation may make sense for a dulap, but on a rockchip even with forced air...We had a Rockchip die
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: indeed we did
asciilifeform: hence 'this document aint final'
asciilifeform: i expect mp will have other, harsher crit, also.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe that i allotted 50/mo of catch-all overhead. this i expect will mostly go to maintenance of rk plant.
asciilifeform: and the purchase of spares.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd like to keep prices 'as low as possible, but not lower'. heathendom offers much lower, theoretically, prices, than what is seen in this prospectus . and not erryone agrees ' asciilifeform's hands worth added 50/mo ', so keeping the greed to a min.
BingoBoingo: Is there anywhere leasing singleboard arms, hosted for under 10 USD monthly?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funnily enuff the upstream provider colos (not leases) 'raspberries' for 10.
asciilifeform: i dun like 'raspberries' tho.
BingoBoingo: raspberries are a lower end product
asciilifeform: they also dun specify what happens when ssd croaks etc
asciilifeform: 'toy' market.
asciilifeform has no intention of attempting gentoo port to 'raspberry' or any other 'boot blobs'-laden arm machine
asciilifeform: asciilifeform-rk hosting is a 'turn-key' product, incl. gentooism, maintenance, debuggery as-req'd, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'fingerwork' -- i've dismounted the rk's for the 1u earlier built for transport to piz , and they will live in a 'DIN' 2u subrack. so no moar finger gymnastics.
asciilifeform: each will sit on individual rail clamp.
asciilifeform: ( full disclosure : this is not installed just yet )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 16:34:01 asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently your box looks like this. it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails.
asciilifeform puts down the microphone, and goes to meat. bbl.
mp_en_viaje: dawg what a productive monday everyone's been having
mp_en_viaje: in other news, czechs have this "rebel" tv station. lotta pantera / ancient metal , modern sad lulz both local and int'l, and all sorta pink flamingo-likes.
mp_en_viaje: the lulziest wanna-be punk bullshit, filmed out of a $200 potato by a few retards / "custodians" / graveyard shit workers still beats the shit out of the overproduced wanna-be pop of the usgistani "i wanna fuck latina teens" wasptard lobby.
mp_en_viaje: Crashdïet, who the fuck ever heard of this ridiculous nonsense, metalaut went out with the fucking berlin wall
mp_en_viaje: o wait, their production dept reads the logs, now switched to aerosmith (falling in love) and following led zeppelin. aite, aite, your channel's pretty cool, chillax folks.
mp_en_viaje: can't even watch this shit with the lights off, too much lumvariance holy hell.
BingoBoingo: Many sectors of the Fat Forehead party are using potato footage in their ads. Can't even spec spammy blowjob footage quality Xiaomi or Huawei cameras that happen to have radios.
mp_en_viaje: nuts.
BingoBoingo: Well, biggest offender is the local Communist Party. Misallocation of resources comes with the turf.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947360 << a large part of this problem, should be prolly mentioned retrospectively, is that aquila non capit muscas / whales don't eat peanuts by the nut (even if elephants do). when i raped the "bitcoin cash" nonsense, for instance, i burned the idiots for thousands upon thousands of bitcoin at a time, as some here involved in the transfer may remember. easy to keep it net positive by frenzy feedi
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 17:18:41 mp_en_viaje: easily the worst part of my example is the "und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz" / "money is no object" "battleship mp" part.
mp_en_viaje: ng like that now and again and meanwhile leaking thousands o' dubaloos daily.
mp_en_viaje: just because mp income is not particularly visible dun mean it dun exist ; misinterpreting it as "mp just burns money" is therefore temptingly trivial, but about as wise as "mp doesn't understand computers" or w/e, "can't fucking add".
mp_en_viaje: soros similarly never made a salary, and so on. past a certain size income's whenever you run into a new planetoid to accrete, not every morning with the dew.
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: hola.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how's czechia ?
mp_en_viaje: fucking great, actually.
mp_en_viaje: only onther place i currently know competition-capable with costa rica.
asciilifeform moar or less 100% able to eat written czech. spoken, diff matter
mp_en_viaje: vienna also nice, but that's 2nd tier.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, that's ok, czech speakers 100% able to eat mp. yum!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you address'em in deutsch, so to instantly trigger lordosis ?
mp_en_viaje: english, french, even italian!
asciilifeform: lol, dafuq are they doing speaking eng
mp_en_viaje: everyone does fwis.
asciilifeform: nuts.
mp_en_viaje: funny breed of russky-kretuzes, too. big tits on slender waifs.
BingoBoingo: Nice
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947419 << files are in place
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:17:09 BingoBoingo: billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947381 << o hey, good for you. blog article ? pix ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 22:24:38 billymg: just got back from cr, am now land owner
billymg: mp_en_viaje: yes! blog post and pics coming
BingoBoingo: billymg: ty, putting finishing touches on the lawyer notes
mp_en_viaje: nice.
mp_en_viaje: exciting.
billymg: thanks, yeah it's a good feeling
mp_en_viaje: do you intend to continue using it as a bnb sorta thing ?
mp_en_viaje: or kicking everything out, installing own harem in there, castle billy mountain goat & his merry ewes ?
billymg: first the former, until i get myself oriented
billymg: and then i suppose i'll have to see how much i have in me wrt the latter
mp_en_viaje: hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow.
billymg: it's all a huge departure from show up at office terminal, collect bezzle -- so i'm expecting a learning curve
mp_en_viaje: billymg, i believe.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: you read my mind, was thinking it could serve as a lord's retreat spot. trinque or anyone else in l1 would certainly be welcome
mp_en_viaje: billymg, ima prolly be in africa/middle east this winter ; but defo coming back to cr prolly spring / summer at the latest, i dun so much like summer in yurp.
mp_en_viaje: at which point i'll defo come check it out.
billymg: sounds good, i hope to be there late january myself
mp_en_viaje: works.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, is there on edge of the seat, falling asleep, waiting for me to get to his calculator thing. THE SHOE IS ON TEH OTHER FOOT NAO, HUH!!! you're gonna be asleep before i'm done with all this other stuff, huh! HUH!
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947428 << irc bouncers utterly ideal for this job, they attract the sorta limp dick "ddos" that separates the latechcos from the adults.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:26:11 asciilifeform: incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 09:48:26 mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947432 << don't be an idiot and think WELL and CORRECTLY about the one guy with extensive tmsr dc experience here present is saying. are you SURE it's correctly priced ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-21 23:28:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order.
BingoBoingo: I felt less tension and stress every time I racked and unracked a 1U server solo versus any time I touched the Rockchip plant. I trust his new layout is better based on the picture and his experience being frustrated with the pilot plant, but once it fills... I suspect asciilifeform suffers from the same disease I do where I've consistently failed most of my life to assign value to my time and taken what was offered from the menu.
asciilifeform in fact still awake -- if not for much long
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's strange, i was convinced ~errybody~ would flame re 'outlandish prices'
mp_en_viaje: that's because you're an idiot.
asciilifeform: evidently
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how come moldavia 35eu tho..
mp_en_viaje: never you mind that part.
asciilifeform will rewrite, after processing all barf from the experts. sorta what 1st draft is for.
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/22/notes-from-the-first-meeting-with-counsel/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The First Meeting With Counsel
BingoBoingo: ^ With the late hour something has to suffer and what will suffer is proofreading. This is the Nth consecutive day I am ending exhausted and I like it.
asciilifeform reads
BingoBoingo: There's a few pictures for the looking too
BingoBoingo: Also meatspace deedbot promotion
asciilifeform deadly tired, will process all queued i/o when wakes up. bbl
BingoBoingo: Sleep well
trinque: mp_en_viaje and billymg, thanks for the offers! I just got in from a vacation, so I'll need to attend to things a while before another. but would love to!
trinque: in other and related news, ressurected trinque.org . will get the url rewriting fixed tomorrow
trinque: night all
mp_en_viaje: kekekekekex
mp_en_viaje: yo asciilifeform : i hit the comment, your blog says "Wrong"
mp_en_viaje: fucking lost it, ima wake up prageu laUGHING, what the fuck is wrong with you
mp_en_viaje: o fuck me, the idiotic "captcha nonsense".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QGNb << there you go.
asciilifeform wakes up briefly
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for my debuggification, what was the xor prompt when got 'wrong' ?
mp_en_viaje: nfi, i never fill those in.
asciilifeform: can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ?
mp_en_viaje: no!
mp_en_viaje: i'm one hair away from buying fucking ww2 de-mining tank, to fuck up all the "speed bumps" i run into, also.
asciilifeform: aite, will then post mp_en_viaje's crit manually when wake up. ( and eat into draft 2, lotsa good point )
mp_en_viaje: fucking bullshit, i should have my shocks fucked because someone else ~might~ speed over your children. go talk to that someone else, not to me.
asciilifeform returns to horiz. pos.
BingoBoingo omitted from the notes post that I did during the closing chit chat bring up that "folks from my part of the US have a reputation for naivety, to the point some go so far as to call us rubes" as we discussed the insanity of common law systems.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sounds like you're rapunzel over there, woke up as if from spell.
mp_en_viaje: good for you!
mp_en_viaje woke up early to publish trilema article, ended up reading other people's articles for 3 hours, not even done. lessee bvt's now!
mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ?
mp_en_viaje: plox to weigh in.
mp_en_viaje: imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic
mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key.
mp_en_viaje: sorta gives meaning to computer identity, which... i dunno, seems nice.
mp_en_viaje: and thanks bvt, megaworks there.

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