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mp_en_viaje: i'm developing fucking insomnia ;/
trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
trinque: you're going to eat something that's bigger than your capacity to maintain and then what.
mp_en_viaje: then build the capacity to maintain it.
trinque: I can't say I agree with your approach either.
trinque: "just do it" ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm not sitting around to watch you play with age-adequate lego sets.
mp_en_viaje: this is the adult table. grow big, or go raise your kids, whatever it is you do, there's no "let's sit and look at each other".
trinque: what kids
trinque: you have what you want, so I'll see myself out. lets leave it at that.
mp_en_viaje: everyone runs into the same exact choices. all the time. always the same.
mp_en_viaje: you're either going to make something new, or you're going to make something old. that's the choice.
trinque: anyone wants to pick up these items I've built, I'll be more than happy to give them to him in working order.
mp_en_viaje: the old thing is called kids.
mp_en_viaje: yo spyked, how's the vomit business thsee days ?
mp_en_viaje: in other end of year book keepings, holy shit i can't believe i'm gonna have to take a negrate in lieu of that coin.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-11-15 11:58:12 mircea_popescu: i'll want the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!
mp_en_viaje: i never would have imagined.
mp_en_viaje: then again... 2018 was the year of lotta bullshit, wasn't it.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-12-12 14:20:34 asciilifeform: would switch, in a heartbeat, to fulltiming at hypothetical tmsr consultancy, if it could be made to get off ground
BingoBoingo: 2018 was indeed a year heavy on the thrashing about and wall sticking projectiles
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954718 << that'd be a fair point, but what if you help me build something without whatever idiocy which was imported into cuntoo ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:29 trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
dorion_road: The stage I'm at now in terms of wutdo with cuntoo is : there have been 7 installation reports that I'm aware of -- if I've missed one, someone please correct.
dorion_road: diana_coman , bvt , spyked , hanbot ,
dorion_road: lobbes , mod6 , shinohai
dorion_road: I'm budgeting time this month to carry out spyked's method using qemu and lobbes is deepening his understanding of the ebuild system.
dorion_road: Gales Linux was released last month (which I've used for a couple years by now), bvt and skyped are giving it a spin this month and
dorion_road: diana_coman is sometime as well.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:11:15 diana_coman: tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
dorion_road: trinque, you've foreshadowed using a minimalist busybox system, which Gales is. Giving it a test run and writing and article about what the positives and negatives are compared to cuntoo would go a long way to help killing idiocy. If you made time to do it by jan 15, adding your insight while others are working on it would help us
dorion_road: leverage the process.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07 trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954729 << can you answer questions and carry conversation about design decisions over these next couple weeks ? there have been a couple, "let's see what trinque says" that've gone unanswered these past couple weeks.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:29 trinque: anyone wants to pick up these items I've built, I'll be more than happy to give them to him in working order.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954719 << how do you reason ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:39 trinque: you're going to eat something that's bigger than your capacity to maintain and then what.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954728 << I intend to make something new.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:25 mp_en_viaje: you're either going to make something new, or you're going to make something old. that's the choice.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: It seems to me like the growing dissatisfaction with Gentoo as a thing to capture for terraforming is that Gentoo comes with a lot of Gentoo specific complexity. This complexity can be handy if you want to build a linux and that linux happens to fit in the space the Gentoo maintainers are running towards, but... that complexity appears to be an impediment to producing a standardized thing that just works without inflicting
BingoBoingo: sometimes substantial costs.
BingoBoingo: These costs can take a number of forms, but the big one seems to be... Gentoo comes with a lot of script baggage that makes it Gentoo instead of something else. To make a TMSR operating system that does V instead of the Gentoo thing... starting from Gentoo means a lot of cuts are going to have to be made.
BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: Mind however, that this is based off of what I'm reading in the logs rather than the source of the actual items.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: there is certainly something there in that CrystalSpace tries to be essentially a sort of OS all by itself.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954759 << this is a good point. In my mind gentoo can be cut in two parts: 1) core/base bootstapping and 2) package management -- 'stage3' and 'portage'/'emerge' respectively in gentoo slang.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:35 BingoBoingo: These costs can take a number of forms, but the big one seems to be... Gentoo comes with a lot of script baggage that makes it Gentoo instead of something else. To make a TMSR operating system that does V instead of the Gentoo thing... starting from Gentoo means a lot of cuts are going to have to be made.
dorion_road: the complexity/cost of the first is the apparent thompsonization of gentoo bootstapping.
dorion_road: the second is the python script baggae with USE flag system that makes gentoo gentoo for better and worse. I think the package management is the biggest value in gentoo, but I don't yet know the cost/benefit of tameing it with V.
dorion_road: gentoo package management has gone through a lot change over the years. I've used gentoo regularly since 2016, but am looking forward to lobbes article on ebuilds because I still haven't grasped that complexity.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 << I hadn't made that connection, thanks for the link!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954763 << very much appreciated. i'll read up on it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:14:38 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
nicoleci: it's something to watch the stone trinque cast three months ago go meanwhile round the world and come back to hit him in the back of the head - kind of ironic...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:27:38 trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, anna netrebko was quite the accomplished fanciulla some years ago. ah, the nineties...
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954747 << smart.
mp_en_viaje: who knows, maybe critical experience is the needed mystery ingredient to finally permit him defeat whatever demons made him miss out on having a blog, for instance.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:17 dorion_road: trinque, you've foreshadowed using a minimalist busybox system, which Gales is. Giving it a test run and writing and article about what the positives and negatives are compared to cuntoo would go a long way to help killing idiocy. If you made time to do it by jan 15, adding your insight while others are working on it would help us
mp_en_viaje: it'd be ridiculous to the point of hysterical (if it weren't so fucking sad), this. everyone strives towards communicating effectually, makes planning articles to try and conquer their innate ineffectuality, EXCEPT the supposed "pillars of the community". those special cuntlets/tards, those... what, write themselves special cuntletry exceptions, what looks great on say thetarpit would hav
mp_en_viaje: e what, looked bad on loperos ?
mp_en_viaje: needless to say i'm not in the fucking slightest impressed ; and i think it's well established by now how that goes, or how much this sort of "i'm speshul" cuntery ends up being worth.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-09-29#1855672 is still good law, and still exactly how this'll derpy "oh, i'm gonna turn around and try to use the republican infrastructure to fuck up the republic with" is gonna go.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-09-29 19:35:27 mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
mp_en_viaje: republican infrastructure builds the republic, not assholery. for fucks sake.
mp_en_viaje: if this two bit idiocy worked, what the fuck were i even doing here ? hurr.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 << to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined to lend support to this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:41 dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
mp_en_viaje: if trinque fails to work within the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything that was thereby lost is upon trinque to pay.
mp_en_viaje: and he will, too.
mp_en_viaje: no amount of "collective action" engineertard "let's stick together like the cuntherd" will save this. the stain is indelible, in fifty years or fifty centuries it will stay visible.
mp_en_viaje: like i see the stain on the idiots who failed to symbolics, and like no amount of handwringing / wining on the "engineer" side can save them, so this. it's fucking visible -- monkeys failed for being monkeys, it is ON THEM. for having been monkey. when the calling came, they failed.
mp_en_viaje: and in general -- the absentee, the insufficient, the "otherwise busy", the butthurt, physically or mentally -- better pray they're in fact quite as inconsequential as they seem.
mp_en_viaje: because if they aren't, if indeed the republic can't exist without them and thereby won't exist -- guess who's going straight to hell for this sin of theirs, and who'll ever forget, be successfully misdirected, whatever.
mp_en_viaje: the stain, IT REMAINS.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 << for the transparently self-obvious reason that idiots preserve idiocy -- if they didn't, they wouldn't still be around. so yes all their infuriating cuntbrainfarts are always well glued with broken glass, it's never a case of "holy shit, i can't believe how intolerably stupid i've been", it's always a case of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950966
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:14:00 mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
mp_en_viaje: because totally, i'll be so very fucking impressed, don't you know it.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's the first time for me, i never thought before a lang is basically the satan ; but it seems to me anything derived off python's going to be stupid, for that reason.
mp_en_viaje: it attracts a certain sort of mental deffective.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose the same could be said about 2000s era php, or 2010s era haskell
diana_coman: there are 1001 pythons in fact and at some point it used to be a half-decent quick-prototype/plaything tool; I'd say it got then pushed forwards & "adopted" and all that, because "easy".
diana_coman: and now I hope I won't have to cut & clean blender too, lolz.
lobbes: I can say from experience that working in python has not been the best for my mental health
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trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
trinque: I'm not going to be put in the position of defending socialists, people with kids, or whatever else I'm declared to be.
trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
trinque: if after this, you still want to eat stallman's leavings I'm not going to protest or insult you on the matter.
trinque: I'll just tip hat and go be stupid somewhere else.
trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
trinque: and this retort that real men manifest food with sheer will, great. there's nothing actionable in that comment.
trinque: an OS build forever out of "community organizing" and volunteerism is going to be a piece of shit.
trinque: and a found item with TMSR chizeled in it is not thereby owned
trinque: you will see this article sooner than the 15th, too.
trinque: nicolewhatever: and by the way, repeating your master's opinion for him says very little. I heard him; he doesn't need you going "ayyyyyy", but good girl all the same.

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